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Post by winknotes on Feb 6, 2013 8:50:21 GMT -5
Is anyone successfully using any of the download instruments with finale? I know the HP prefs are tailored to the SE instruments so I assumed the matrix for the download instruments are perhaps different enough that they might not work with the HP prefs. One would have to build some custom prefs. Trying to decide whether to get some more SE samples I don't have or download a couple individual brass samples.
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Post by bill on Feb 7, 2013 8:54:01 GMT -5
Hi Steve, I have mostly download insturments. I don't really care for the instrument layouts provided by VSL, so setup my own in a way that works with custom HP prefs. If you have the SE instrument layout, you can just replace the SE patches (or missing patches) with full instrument patches. That's what I do in Notion.
There's a wealth of articulations and variations which are difficult to make use of in a notation program.
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Post by winknotes on Feb 7, 2013 9:00:42 GMT -5
Thanks Bill. I guess the other consideration I thought of is memory usage. Since the download instruments are essentially the same as the full-blown library samples they'll consume more memory. Since I'm using Finale and doing everything on one machine maybe for now I'll stick with SE. I'll at least get more sounds/instruments for the same money even though the quality will be slightly reduced.
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Post by bill on Feb 7, 2013 9:35:30 GMT -5
Are you running using the 64bit VE? If so, RAM shouldn't be so much of an issue.
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Post by winknotes on Feb 8, 2013 16:21:48 GMT -5
Yes I am. I guess what I'm saying is the bigger patches consume more RAM.
My machine only has 8 gig of RAM (hard to believe I'm say ONLY 8) and surprisingly I can have a fairly large orchestra in Finale and MIR. It gets a little choppy if there are tuttis but I also suspect I could play with buffer settings to mitigate that. I suppose I could also buy more RAM.
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Post by bill on Feb 9, 2013 17:51:25 GMT -5
Well, It's a good time to be buying RAM! As you can see, I loaded up  Did you spring for MIR, or still using the demo? |
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Post by winknotes on Feb 14, 2013 21:40:10 GMT -5
I just got MIR and VEPro yesterday along with the brass from the SE library volume 2 (I needed mutes). Although it's strange that they chose harmon mutes instead of straight mutes. Anyway I haven't gotten a chance to play with it too much but I auditioined all the matrixes from the Epic orchestra and I'm blown away by the oboe d'amore and the cornet. They're both so smooth sounding. Not sure I'll have much use for the string and woodwind patches although maybe for sketching quickly. I don't really ever see myself using the brass ensemble patches either.
Anyway I'm excited to have the tools now and it gets me closer to working in notation and not having to worry about mixing, etc. When I have some time I'll post a snippet of something I'm working on. Maybe do a before and after comparison.
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Post by bill on Feb 18, 2013 11:54:05 GMT -5
That's great news Steve; congratulations!
I got VEP when it was first released, with the special intro price, and thus it didn't include the Epic Orch.
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Post by winknotes on Mar 1, 2013 14:19:13 GMT -5
aah that's too bad. Is that an option to pursue now though? Or are you talking about VEPro4 or earlier?
Anyway I'm thrilled with the way things sound just using Finale. Now if Human Playback issues could get worked out a little better I'd really be set and might not ever have to open another DAW interface.
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Post by bill on Mar 2, 2013 9:26:03 GMT -5
Yes, I got VEP4 when it first came out.
I'm interested in your conversation with Robert P. Anything you can pass on? I assume he only works on HP when MM bring him in to do so. It always seems to be close, but not quite there. Is he aware of the issues?
I've been working with Notion 4, which is a nice tool for composing, but quite lacking in the notation dept. It has built in support of VSL SE.
I also have my eye on Overture. There's a new version in the works which I'll be very interested to try. The current version is so ugly I can't stand to look at it on the screen! Though it does have the right MIDI features like PRV and controller editing.
Ah, the quest for the perfect tools!
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Post by David Gaines on Mar 3, 2013 11:41:22 GMT -5
Hi guys, sorry I've been absent from this place for awhile.........I use several download instruments: contrabass clarinet (which is essential for my concert band/wind ensemble stuff), euphonium, Eb clarinet, and flugelhorn. Yes, you have to create lines for all of their articulations in Human Playback Preferences. If you have an easier alternative to this, please advise. :-)
As for RAM, doesn't Vienna Instruments have a "learn" function so that it goes through your composition as it plays it and then deletes from RAM any articulations not being used? You can also create new matrices of your own that don't include the patches you don't use. I did this with my string orchestra piece which only uses regular sustain, legato, and one bar of harmonics at the very end. I ditched all of the other patches and then saved these new matrices as "Violins - Simple," "Violas - Simple," etc. etc. Finally, your motherboard, processor, and version of Windows all determine how much RAM you can have. If I upgraded to Win 7 Professional (or Win 8 Professional, I guess, at this point, or whatever Microsoft calls it now) I could have a max of 16gb RAM (or maybe it's 24...I forget) but my version of the Intel Core i7 processor and my ASUS G73jh laptop motherboard only support a max of 8gb, so there wouldn't be any point. To get 64gb you'd have to upgrade your processor substantially to some sort of multicore gaming PC along with Windows 8 Ultimate (or whatever) which I believe maxes out at 128gb. Of course, that also involves mucho $$ unless you are a very fortunate composer, indeed. :-)
I can't afford MIR at all and plan to get VEPro but need to save up for that, too. I particularly like the fact that I'll be getting the Epic Orchestra set for free with VEPro.
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Post by David Gaines on Mar 3, 2013 11:43:28 GMT -5
P.S. - Please note that my website is now you have davidgaines.org bookmarked, you can delete that. |
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Post by bill on Mar 3, 2013 13:16:04 GMT -5
Nice to see you David!
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Post by winknotes on Mar 6, 2013 13:49:46 GMT -5
One way to maximize your RAM that I just learned about is if your samples reside on an SSD, you can make the sample prefetch size smaller which would reduce the amount of RAM being used for the samples being preloaded.
I'm like you David in that I have 8GB of RAM. My board supports 16 but I'll be darned if I can find 4GB sticks that are compatible. Anyway I don't have any issues with just 8 even with a full orchestra.
I did start experiencing some stuttering when I had fuller orchestra passages so I increased my buffers on the sound card and MIR to 1024 and it completely went away. The CPU went from 90%+ to 30-40%.
Glad to see you back too Dave. Hope all is well and you're doing a lot of writing. I'll visit your site soon.
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