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Post by bill on Jun 26, 2012 15:46:24 GMT -5
The export to audio bug seems to have been fixed. Will test the HP custom text latter this evening to see if that's been fixed...
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Post by David Gaines on Jun 27, 2012 16:29:13 GMT -5
I haven't had any problems exporting to audio with 2012a so I was never privy to what the exact problem was. In fact, I'll be using 2012a to post the sample audio of my string orchestra piece here so you can all hear the problems I'm having with VSL SE strings and HP.
Or maybe I should just wait until I get 2012b. :-) In any event, thanks for letting us know that 2012b is now available. Looking forward to your evaluations.
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Post by bill on Jun 29, 2012 9:41:47 GMT -5
Hi David,
I spoke too soon; the Audio bug is NOT fixed. I had tested only with VI Pro; the problem occurs when VE Pro is used.
Over that past month Justin had indicated that this would be a substantial realease, in lieu of a 2013 version of Finale. That's very much not the case; Fin2012b offers almost nothing, and most of the bug fixes are in the XML Dept.
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Post by winknotes on Jun 29, 2012 10:03:32 GMT -5
I'm still on 2011 and have no compelling reason to upgrade. Most of what I'm hearing supports my decision not to upgrade right now.
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Post by bill on Jun 29, 2012 11:37:31 GMT -5
Yes, I went back to Fin2011. Unless you need unicode, there's no reason to upgrade. The Score Manager is a nightmare when using 3rd party libraries, and that's suposed to be the big draw!
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Post by winknotes on Jun 30, 2012 13:22:34 GMT -5
You know there was some mention on the MM forum (I think Justin) about overhauling human playback. I hope they do that sooner than later.
I've pretty much resigned myself to exporting the Finale file and working on it in Reaper to edit note lengths and velocities as well as some keyswitches I"m not always happy with. I don't know if they can overhaul it to the point that these sorts of problems go away, but here's hoping.
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Post by bill on Jun 30, 2012 16:53:14 GMT -5
The sad thing is that the Finale MIDI tool lets you do all those things you'd do in a squencer. It's just so god awful inconvienient! If they upgraded it so you could draw things with your mouse instead of entering values in a dialog box, it would be the bomb!
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Post by winknotes on Jun 30, 2012 17:40:44 GMT -5
That's true, but it seems that if I try to change some aspect the change doesn't show up in that awful display you're presented with. So I gave up on trying to use that a long time ago. But you're right that it would save a lot of time not having to use another app.
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Post by David Gaines on Jul 18, 2012 10:43:15 GMT -5
<<exporting the Finale file and working on it in Reaper to edit note lengths and velocities as well as some keyswitches I'm not always happy with>>
I'm at the point where I'm pretty much going to have to do the same thing (although I use Sonar X1 and not Reaper). I haven't posted any audio here because Finale playback of the piece I'm working on is so unreliably hit or miss with VSL instruments - even with endless tweaking of HP and both the "official" VSL HP preferences setup and the revised one that A.S. posted to the Finale forum - that after six months or so I can't get a decent .WAV file of a simple four-minute string orchestra piece.
How do you edit/insert keyswitches in Reaper (or any DAW, for that matter) after exporting from .MUS to .MID?
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Post by winknotes on Jul 18, 2012 12:11:07 GMT -5
Keyswitches are the only thing I use piano roll view for. I just drag the notes up or down and change CC1 data as needed.
What I find most is Finale doesn't use the performance patches very often but defaults to sustain and legato. So I end up moving legato keyswitches to performance legato. Sustain pretty much has to stay sustain since legato patches aren't long enough most of the time.
The other frustrating thing is Finale will make some note values shorter than they should be. Especially the last note under a slur. It's aggravating. I wish there were some settings that could be tweaked.
Since I use this export/import more and more, I've stopped tweaking the HP preferences. It's just a little quicker to do it in Reaper. That is as long as I'm certain I'm done with a piece. I'm working on a piano quartet movement that has undergone some revisions so consistent playback in Finale would be ideal. I may end up having to import the whole file again and tweak it as I did before. It's not productive work in terms of composing in my opinion, but there you have it.
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Post by David Gaines on Jul 18, 2012 14:45:17 GMT -5
Keyswitches are the only thing I use piano roll view for. I just drag the notes up or down and change CC1 data as needed. Any chance you could make one of your famous private YouTube videos demonstrating this?  This is one thing that's still on my Haven't Done It Yet But Need To Learn How Real Fast list in Cakewalk Sonar. I imagine the general concept is the same in other DAWs as it is in Reaper. What I find most is Finale doesn't use the performance patches very often but defaults to sustain and legato. So I end up moving legato keyswitches to performance legato. What do you mean by a "performance patch" in VSL? Not sure what you're referring to here. Maybe I'm missing something obvious. Do you mean the more advanced articulations such as detache? In that case, yeah, I've noticed that, too....I'd have to create text expressions and define their playback in order to take advantage of those in the VSL matrices. The other frustrating thing is Finale will make some note values shorter than they should be. Especially the last note under a slur. It's aggravating. I wish there were some settings that could be tweaked. I've noticed anomalies like this with FInale/VSL playback, too. What I've ended up doing is to create a duplicate playback version of the score, which I know is what a lot of other people do and of course we all wish it weren't necessary. It doubles the work - maybe more than doubles it. I've ended up shortening notes that are held too long and inserting 32nd rests (which works out great, BTW), deleting staccato marks because the VSL staccato is so short (to my ears, anyway - maybe it's Finale's fault), etc. etc. Since I use this export/import more and more, I've stopped tweaking the HP preferences. It's just a little quicker to do it in Reaper. That is as long as I'm certain I'm done with a piece. I rarely use VSL instruments before final playback. Takes too long to load them and the fussiness we're discussing here would just eat up too much time. I almost always use Garritan and/or Sonatina Symphonic Orchestra (the free library I'm always promoting.....it loads into Aria so it's easy to use them alongside Garritan instruments) for actual composing, arranging, testing. dg |
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Post by winknotes on Jul 21, 2012 10:42:43 GMT -5
I could probably whip up a quick tutorial.
I too have thought about using Garritan sounds for Finale and VSL sounds for my DAW but to me there would not only be keyswitch differences but the dynamic controller would be different as well. I will admit I get a little impatient waiting for the VSL sounds to load and I've even thought about using a virtual midi cable so I can use Vienna Ensemble as a standalone app and keep an ensemble loaded and switch Finale files at will. I guess the bottom line is I could really fine tune my workflow quite a bit.
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Post by bill on Jul 21, 2012 17:57:04 GMT -5
The MIDI tool is the place to tweak anything you want...
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Post by winknotes on Jul 23, 2012 8:07:04 GMT -5
The MIDI tool is the place to tweak anything you want... Yes this is true. However anytime I've ever tried to tweak note lengths or velocities very little if any difference was heard. I do have incorporate midi data checked in the HP preferences. It's a difficult tool to use but admittedly I have not read up on how to use it. I think MM would do users a huge favor if they would update the UI for that tool. |
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Post by dave1173 on Jul 25, 2012 6:28:05 GMT -5
I have used Finale since its inception but have always kept my eye on Sibelius's development through ownership and a couple of workshops they offered. What I found was that I always stayed with Finale because of the Midi Tool. With that said, it is something that MM has neglected for years.
I have a question: I own the VSL Special Editions but have yet to find a clear tutorial on how to use them in Finale. I am used to the Kontakt and Aria players but the interface with VSL is different enough to make it confusing to me. Any ideas?
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This is one thing that's still on my Haven't Done It Yet But Need To Learn How Real Fast list in Cakewalk Sonar. I imagine the general concept is the same in other DAWs as it is in Reaper. 
